Comments on: Update on The New Republic’s ‘Man in Iraq’ http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/ Unapologetic Patriot Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:31:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: sfcmac http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-17/#comment-3285 sfcmac Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:14:02 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-3285 <strong>Mrs. Hatley,</strong> I thought about e-mailing you many times after the Courts Martial, but stopped short because I knew you were going through a personal hell, and I didn't think you would want to hear from me. I figured that you would probably drop in on the site to read any updates I've posted, and that would be good enough. I've said this so many times, it's second nature: Americans have to realize we are fighting an enemy that does not play by the Marquis of Queensbury Rules, nor can they find Geneva on a map. Islamic terrorists understand our way of thinking better than we ourselves. They don’t hesitate to use children as suicide bombers or human shields. They’ve got considerable occupational experience at torture, mutilation, and gratuitous executions. They will feign surrender, then pull the fuse on the bomb under their shirt. Feeling sorry for these shit bags is misguided, and quite frankly, stupid. Just think what will happen if/when President Punchdrunk closes GITMO. What happened to 1SG Hatley is a travesty and reaffirms my belief that America (the government, included)no longer cares to meet the enemy head on and stop them before they kill more Americans. The ground rules have been set by a leftwing media and a Democratic Party-controlled legislature hell bent on causing the defeat of the United States. This has been a trend since Vietnam. I don't know who ultimitely decided to bring charges against 1SG Hatley and his Soldiers for eliminating four armed terrorists who would have certainly harmed more Soldiers upon release, but they ought to be ashamed. I hope in spite of everything you are doing well. Please keep in touch and let me know how your husband is coping. HOOAH! <strong>SFC MAC</strong> Mrs. Hatley,

I thought about e-mailing you many times after the Courts Martial, but stopped short because I knew you were going through a personal hell, and I didn’t think you would want to hear from me. I figured that you would probably drop in on the site to read any updates I’ve posted, and that would be good enough.

I’ve said this so many times, it’s second nature: Americans have to realize we are fighting an enemy that does not play by the Marquis of Queensbury Rules, nor can they find Geneva on a map. Islamic terrorists understand our way of thinking better than we ourselves. They don’t hesitate to use children as suicide bombers or human shields. They’ve got considerable occupational experience at torture, mutilation, and gratuitous executions. They will feign surrender, then pull the fuse on the bomb under their shirt. Feeling sorry for these shit bags is misguided, and quite frankly, stupid.

Just think what will happen if/when President Punchdrunk closes GITMO.

What happened to 1SG Hatley is a travesty and reaffirms my belief that America (the government, included)no longer cares to meet the enemy head on and stop them before they kill more Americans.

The ground rules have been set by a leftwing media and a Democratic Party-controlled legislature hell bent on causing the defeat of the United States. This has been a trend since Vietnam.

I don’t know who ultimitely decided to bring charges against 1SG Hatley and his Soldiers for eliminating four armed terrorists who would have certainly harmed more Soldiers upon release, but they ought to be ashamed.

I hope in spite of everything you are doing well. Please keep in touch and let me know how your husband is coping.

HOOAH!

SFC MAC

]]> By: Mrs. Kim Hatley http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-17/#comment-3279 Mrs. Kim Hatley Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:04:21 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-3279 Thank you SFC Mac for posting all this. I am John's wife. I am the one who emailed you when this awful Beauchamp situation arose. The Baghdad deployment was a time of sheer hell & chaos. It's okay if you post that exact email I sent you back then, if you would like to. Please allow me to add my comment, which I have just posted on the "collegenews.com" blog site: I am the “wife” of 1SG John E. Hatley. It’s amazing to sit back & read everyone’s comments, either for or against my husband. This is America and because of great & brave Soldiers like my husband, you have the right to say what you want and I put up with it, as do many others. For those who are against my husband: I forgive you for judging him cruely, the way you do. For those who knew my husband & or, served with him, thank you for your service. It’s amazing that the ones that are so critical and cynical against my husband, have never even served their own country & or been shot at by the enemy or have seen your fellow comarad’s die by gruesome means. Meanwhile as you sit & labor over what cruel things to write, our soldiers are back in Iraq, suffering with the intense heat & serving “you”.... Think about it. Remember that. I have personally comforted many widows in our Battalion thru the Baghdad deployment. Our Brigade lost 109 soldiers. In the previous deployment “Tikrit” our Brigade lost half that many. When you experience the horrors of war & see the tragic, intimate details going on behind the scenes, like the widows when they find out they cannot have an “open casket” funeral for their Soldier, it makes you want to cry for those who do not understand anything about what war is all about and what the Soldiers & families actually experience on a day to day basis. Doing studies & reading about past wars or current wars, is not a substitute for actually having been there. It is quite interesting to watch those judge others, based merely off reading something in print, either from a book or by an article in a paper… in the comfort of their homes. To question anyone’s honor, courage & judgement is just an area that is beyond ridiculous for those who have never (been there) seen the horrors of war. The intimate moments of sheer horror and devastation that Soldiers experience while watching their fellow soldiers die terrible deaths by the hands of insurgents or by IED’s… lends YOU time, to go about and judge others, whilst others die for you and fight for you and actually experience the horrors of war, that you so aptly read about, after the fact, in the comfort of your home. It is also amazing to watch people “go with the flow” with what “carefully chosen words” are used in articles, borrowing quote from what a prosecuting attorney says about this or that. If they use the word “slayed” or “Iraqi”, you automatically run with it and frame your perceptions immediately around that and only that. What if writers used the word “insurgent” instead? or “slayers of American Soldiers?” Words are powerful and it’s interesting to watch some people be led around by them and make examples of themselves. What type of example? ~HOOAH!!! Mrs. Kim Hatley (Thank you SFC Mac, for your service and sacrifices.) Thank you SFC Mac for posting all this. I am John’s wife. I am the one who emailed you when this awful Beauchamp situation arose. The Baghdad deployment was a time of sheer hell & chaos. It’s okay if you post that exact email I sent you back then, if you would like to. Please allow me to add my comment, which I have just posted on the “collegenews.com” blog site:

I am the “wife” of 1SG John E. Hatley. It’s amazing to sit back & read everyone’s comments, either for or against my husband. This is America and because of great & brave Soldiers like my husband, you have the right to say what you want and I put up with it, as do many others. For those who are against my husband: I forgive you for judging him cruely, the way you do. For those who knew my husband & or, served with him, thank you for your service. It’s amazing that the ones that are so critical and cynical against my husband, have never even served their own country & or been shot at by the enemy or have seen your fellow comarad’s die by gruesome means. Meanwhile as you sit & labor over what cruel things to write, our soldiers are back in Iraq, suffering with the intense heat & serving “you”…. Think about it. Remember that. I have personally comforted many widows in our Battalion thru the Baghdad deployment. Our Brigade lost 109 soldiers. In the previous deployment “Tikrit” our Brigade lost half that many. When you experience the horrors of war & see the tragic, intimate details going on behind the scenes, like the widows when they find out they cannot have an “open casket” funeral for their Soldier, it makes you want to cry for those who do not understand anything about what war is all about and what the Soldiers & families actually experience on a day to day basis. Doing studies & reading about past wars or current wars, is not a substitute for actually having been there. It is quite interesting to watch those judge others, based merely off reading something in print, either from a book or by an article in a paper… in the comfort of their homes. To question anyone’s honor, courage & judgement is just an area that is beyond ridiculous for those who have never (been there) seen the horrors of war. The intimate moments of sheer horror and devastation that Soldiers experience while watching their fellow soldiers die terrible deaths by the hands of insurgents or by IED’s… lends YOU time, to go about and judge others, whilst others die for you and fight for you and actually experience the horrors of war, that you so aptly read about, after the fact, in the comfort of your home. It is also amazing to watch people “go with the flow” with what “carefully chosen words” are used in articles, borrowing quote from what a prosecuting attorney says about this or that. If they use the word “slayed” or “Iraqi”, you automatically run with it and frame your perceptions immediately around that and only that. What if writers used the word “insurgent” instead? or “slayers of American Soldiers?” Words are powerful and it’s interesting to watch some people be led around by them and make examples of themselves. What type of example? ~HOOAH!!! Mrs. Kim Hatley

(Thank you SFC Mac, for your service and sacrifices.)

]]> By: This ain’t Hell, but you can see it from here » Blog Archive » No, Beauchamp is still a liar http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-17/#comment-2872 This ain’t Hell, but you can see it from here » Blog Archive » No, Beauchamp is still a liar Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:05:37 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-2872 [...] not lessening the effect that SFC Cheryl McElroy (your friend and my drinking buddy, GI Jane) at The Foxhole who scooped the whole internet by getting a statement from 1SG Hatley in the beginning, but the stories that Beauchamp told were obviously false - completely. So [...] [...] not lessening the effect that SFC Cheryl McElroy (your friend and my drinking buddy, GI Jane) at The Foxhole who scooped the whole internet by getting a statement from 1SG Hatley in the beginning, but the stories that Beauchamp told were obviously false – completely. So [...]

]]> By: sfcmac http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-17/#comment-2867 sfcmac Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:55:50 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-2867 <strong>Flash Override, and Rob W.</strong> Based on the facts of the incident and my experience as an Iraq war veteran: 1SG Hatley and his squad were attacked by a group of enemy terrorist combatants. They fired back, chased them down, captured them, and found their weapons cache. They should have killed them on the spot. As for the Courts Martial decision, justice isn’t always “just”. You should know that 99.9% of the accusations leveled against American troops fall flat either before they get to trial, or as a result of acquitals. As for Soldiers 'gone amok', if/when you ever find yourself in the same situation as boots-on-the-ground troops who have to make life or death decisions, then you can talk. The trouble with arm-chair critics (especially the leftwing) is that they have the luxury of jeering from the sidelines while others do the heavy lifting. <strong>SFC MAC</strong> Flash Override, and Rob W.

Based on the facts of the incident and my experience as an Iraq war veteran: 1SG Hatley and his squad were attacked by a group of enemy terrorist combatants. They fired back, chased them down, captured them, and found their weapons cache. They should have killed them on the spot. As for the Courts Martial decision, justice isn’t always “just”.

You should know that 99.9% of the accusations leveled against American troops fall flat either before they get to trial, or as a result of acquitals.

As for Soldiers ‘gone amok’, if/when you ever find yourself in the same situation as boots-on-the-ground troops who have to make life or death decisions, then you can talk. The trouble with arm-chair critics (especially the leftwing) is that they have the luxury of jeering from the sidelines while others do the heavy lifting.

SFC MAC

]]> By: Flash Override http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-17/#comment-2860 Flash Override Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:22:54 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-2860 Now that 1ST Hatley has been convicted of four counts of premeditated murder of captives, perhaps you ought to rethink this piece. Now that 1ST Hatley has been convicted of four counts of premeditated murder of captives, perhaps you ought to rethink this piece.

]]> By: Rob W http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-16/#comment-2856 Rob W Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:44:37 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-2856 It appears that Sgt. Hatley was just convicted of shooting 4 handcuffed Iraqis in the back of the head by a court-martial. Perhaps not the best source to debunk claims of US soldiers gone amok. It appears that Sgt. Hatley was just convicted of shooting 4 handcuffed Iraqis in the back of the head by a court-martial. Perhaps not the best source to debunk claims of US soldiers gone amok.

]]> By: James Dunne, Sgt, DV http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-16/#comment-1934 James Dunne, Sgt, DV Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:57:02 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-1934 Let me tell you about a soldier who has made a memorable impression on me...one that will never be forgot...While I didnt work for 1sg Hatley personally I was in the same company as him. when I Met him he was an E-6 Squad leader in 2nd Plt Aco 1/5 Cav....and I was a nube Pvt just from AIT assigned to gummi bears 3rd plt ( Sgt Curtis "eye of the pidgeon " woods was my squad leader )...While as I remember John as being harder than a metal box full of woodpecker lips, constantly making us do THE RIPPER and always asking who wanted a shot at the title I also remember him being the most honest (albeit the loudest) and outspoken person in the company.He alsways did what he said and meant what he said. He never lied to anyone and never backed down from anything. Whether he was telling one of his PL's they were ate up, telling the commander that is a seriously stupid fucking idea or putting his foot in a soldiers ass to correct his military bearing....he always took the time to show joes how to do it right...to say it correctly, he didnt just talk the talk but he did walk the walk..he always lead from the front....in true queen of battle fashion. He didnt care if you were Jarvis the training room bitch or Parker the NBC nerd...His personal view was that we were all on the same team and that we were all rifleman first and our assigned job second. Lord knows there were a lot of people in our company that always pissed me off but I always had respect for Hatley...Always had his head in the game and was always there for any joe, hell people often went to him for advice, even those who out ranked him....you know come to think of it I went to him more often with my issues than even my own Plt NCOS...it was kind of nice to have that impartial view of a situation and the honest answer that comes along with it....to say Hatley was opinionated would be the least....to tell you the truth do in my own opinion I think hes capable of doing what he is accused of? Im capable of it , your capable of it everyman is capabale of it...but put a man in a combat situation and put the lives of those hes charged with protecting in his hands....I know if it came down to murdering 4 guys who if released would probably go right back out there and shoot more american servicemen I probably would have done the same thing, if it comes down to them or my troops itll be them any day of the week and then 2x on sunday...yeah I still think hes capable, but do I think he did it? No ..especially having served with him for almost 4 years...NO...NO I dont believe he did that...I have always seen him being as a man of honor, respect and a high moral caliber! he always put his familiy and joes first and for that I have always had the highest respect for him always will.....So to the soup sandwhich football fucking monkey whos accusing him of these crimes....fuck you...cause all your gonna do is succede in tarnishing a professional soldiers' spectacular career and fuck your life up in the process...I pray for you and that when your time comes to meet our makers I hope you go to the appropriate place that the higherpowers beyond man deem are worthy of a snake like you One question for you loser? if you had the oppurtunity to say no and stop did why didnt you...also what took you so long to say anything to anyone? I guess what they say is true...all good stories need time to be created......John: to you I say dont worry about this shitbird ...Good luck and I know you havea lot of friends and soldiers on your side...if you need anything let me know...ill help out however I can ...GRIM REAPERS! Let me tell you about a soldier who has made a memorable impression on me…one that will never be forgot…While I didnt work for 1sg Hatley personally I was in the same company as him. when I Met him he was an E-6 Squad leader in 2nd Plt Aco 1/5 Cav….and I was a nube Pvt just from AIT assigned to gummi bears 3rd plt ( Sgt Curtis “eye of the pidgeon ” woods was my squad leader )…While as I remember John as being harder than a metal box full of woodpecker lips, constantly making us do THE RIPPER and always asking who wanted a shot at the title I also remember him being the most honest (albeit the loudest) and outspoken person in the company.He alsways did what he said and meant what he said. He never lied to anyone and never backed down from anything. Whether he was telling one of his PL’s they were ate up, telling the commander that is a seriously stupid fucking idea or putting his foot in a soldiers ass to correct his military bearing….he always took the time to show joes how to do it right…to say it correctly, he didnt just talk the talk but he did walk the walk..he always lead from the front….in true queen of battle fashion. He didnt care if you were Jarvis the training room bitch or Parker the NBC nerd…His personal view was that we were all on the same team and that we were all rifleman first and our assigned job second. Lord knows there were a lot of people in our company that always pissed me off but I always had respect for Hatley…Always had his head in the game and was always there for any joe, hell people often went to him for advice, even those who out ranked him….you know come to think of it I went to him more often with my issues than even my own Plt NCOS…it was kind of nice to have that impartial view of a situation and the honest answer that comes along with it….to say Hatley was opinionated would be the least….to tell you the truth do in my own opinion I think hes capable of doing what he is accused of? Im capable of it , your capable of it everyman is capabale of it…but put a man in a combat situation and put the lives of those hes charged with protecting in his hands….I know if it came down to murdering 4 guys who if released would probably go right back out there and shoot more american servicemen I probably would have done the same thing, if it comes down to them or my troops itll be them any day of the week and then 2x on sunday…yeah I still think hes capable, but do I think he did it? No ..especially having served with him for almost 4 years…NO…NO I dont believe he did that…I have always seen him being as a man of honor, respect and a high moral caliber! he always put his familiy and joes first and for that I have always had the highest respect for him always will…..So to the soup sandwhich football fucking monkey whos accusing him of these crimes….fuck you…cause all your gonna do is succede in tarnishing a professional soldiers’ spectacular career and fuck your life up in the process…I pray for you and that when your time comes to meet our makers I hope you go to the appropriate place that the higherpowers beyond man deem are worthy of a snake like you One question for you loser? if you had the oppurtunity to say no and stop did why didnt you…also what took you so long to say anything to anyone? I guess what they say is true…all good stories need time to be created……John: to you I say dont worry about this shitbird …Good luck and I know you havea lot of friends and soldiers on your side…if you need anything let me know…ill help out however I can …GRIM REAPERS!

]]> By: Between Freedom And Sharia Law | Politics - Sharpy News http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-16/#comment-1901 Between Freedom And Sharia Law | Politics - Sharpy News Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:15:11 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-1901 [...] thank God you stepped into the breach and contacted Beauchamp’sFirst Sergeant, John E. Hatley. His response, in which he denied the charges, [...] [...] thank God you stepped into the breach and contacted Beauchamp’sFirst Sergeant, John E. Hatley. His response, in which he denied the charges, [...]

]]> By: sfcmac http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-16/#comment-848 sfcmac Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:42:55 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-848 <strong>TCO:</strong> I've posted the First Sergeant's e-mail at the top of the page. <strong>SFC MAC</strong> TCO:
I’ve posted the First Sergeant’s e-mail at the top of the page.

SFC MAC

]]> By: TCO http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/comment-page-16/#comment-833 TCO Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:46:13 +0000 http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/update-on-the-new-republics-man-in-iraq/#comment-833 Where is the email from the 1SG? Sorry if I'm being dense, but I don't see the email text from him. Only the one from you. V/r TCO Where is the email from the 1SG? Sorry if I’m being dense, but I don’t see the email text from him. Only the one from you.

V/r

TCO

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